Comments on CrazyKinux's Musing: The EVE Blog Banter Special Edition: The Ladies of...

Mokelembembe: They have that already. It's c...

2010-10-15T14:19:05.910-04:00

Mokelembembe: They have that already. It's called the test server.

I am a girl & a n00b - the target audience fo...

2010-10-15T14:09:53.478-04:00

I am a girl & a n00b - the target audience for this topic I think XD I'm REALLY looking forward to more avatar customisation (dont really care about walking round in space stations tbh tho.)

I dont have a blog, but I have a suggestion that may appeal to women, a feature I'd enjoy anyway.

We mostly arent the gung ho risk takers men are. Yes we can enjoy the hell out of pvp, the caveat is we like to know we're in with a good chance of winning, or at least not losing everything. We generally don't want to look like fools, we don't want to gamble everything we spent months working on.

We're more inclined to like something if we know we are good at it, or have the potential to become so. Many of us have an attitude of - "I don't know if I'm ever gonna be good at this so why would i risk my hard earned ship on a learning process where I might not even have the base aptitude to ever be proficient at it". And we'll move on to a more sure thing.

If CCP could design a pvp minigame tangent where the penalty for failure were less harsh. An arena to try out pvp where those risks (losing all, looking like a clueless nub) aren't so great. A PvP training ground where women could learn to wtfpwn & learn they could be good at it, without risking everything in discovering that.

There are myriad ways this could be designed - perhaps an instanced arena where say 5 to 20 of each of the opposing factions battle against each other. The main point being if you are blown up you get to reclaim your ship & fittings. Either no or very small ISK penalty for failure.

This would hopefully with the right design also end up being a cooperative effort whereby players of the same faction who are strangers do end up needing to talk & communicate with eachother (in the arena, or whatever it would be called, local chat) to form strategies to win. The social/cooperative aspect would also have appeal for women - they meet people, but casually, without the commitment to a corp.

It would provide women a more casual EvE experience where less was at stake, a practice arena for real EVE pvp, (to learn they may in fact have an aptitude & passion for it & so when they do the real thing they have some practise & a chance of not losing face or ships). also a social ground for meeting, strategising & working with new people.

Most of all this would be an addition to EVE, not a change to EVE.

I suspect CK has found this one to be a bit larger than he first thought. CK

Tiffany not only explored the various jewelry proc...

2010-07-02T03:55:46.394-04:00

Tiffany not only explored the various jewelry processes of the time,Silver Tiffany but also branched out into new metals, such as platinum, which at the Tiffany Jewelrytime was considered very hard to manipulate.It seems to be the Tiffany Braceletscase that unusual colorations appealed to Tiffany, Tiffany Earringslike the opal.He also preferred gemstones that were either opaque or translucent. Tiffany NecklacesTurquoise, jade, carnelian, lapis, moonstones, and opals were all chosen for their Tiffany Banglesability to filter light. Emphasis based on color was very prevalent in his works.

@H - Thanks for backing me up! @Elizabeth - You w...

2010-06-18T08:40:10.004-04:00

@H - Thanks for backing me up!

@Elizabeth - You were right, I deleted that SPAM comment.

@Chebri - RL was the culprit. But you're right that I should have provided a little update sooner.

@H - Thanks for your understanding

Hello Chebri, I think things have gone way past w...

2010-06-10T06:10:42.851-04:00

Hello Chebri,

I think things have gone way past what I was suggesting. CK is definitely MIA. This is not aimed at you, but the posts I've seen recently have all been about the contest and not the person.

CK's site was one of two I would always check regularly. He posted on a frequent basis.... now it's once a week at best for his Friday links.

More concerned about the man himself to be perfectly blunt. The contest can get stuffed. Be much happier if CK was back... or at least if we knew what was going on.

H

Dear H, I'd believe your comments on the dela...

2010-06-10T02:58:20.296-04:00

Dear H,

I'd believe your comments on the delay of announcing the winners if only CK would say so himself. I understand your intentions but, (and certainly no disrespect to you) I'd rather hear the reason for the delay from the fella that announced the competition. He left us all hanging.

The delay in announcement of contest winners combined with the lack of a reason why he is late is a bit disrespectful towards those who entered the contest.

@ JA Amilla ?? Im confused, is that spam or someo...

2010-06-05T05:23:36.355-04:00

@ JA Amilla

?? Im confused, is that spam or someone thats commented on the wrong blog or a funny joke about women and handbags in relation to the post topic?

^^

The list of winners is posted where?

2010-06-04T16:31:14.109-04:00

The list of winners is posted where?

Actually, I suspect CK has found this one to be a ...

2010-05-26T14:44:30.389-04:00

Actually, I suspect CK has found this one to be a bit larger than he first thought.

No duping. Just 80 submissions to read and triage and decide on which 40 he likes. Then perhaps 20, 10, 5....

And to be fair, there were some staggeringly good responses. Give the guy a break.

Lastly, this subject IS a little bit of a political bombshell in some respects. I'd imagine CK is treading a wee bit carefully too.

I've seen no results of the contest. Were we a...

2010-05-26T13:32:42.143-04:00

I've seen no results of the contest. Were we all duped?

Ah Right! Do I look like a Damsel in distress? ht...

2010-05-18T18:31:55.962-04:00

Ah Right! Do I look like a Damsel in distress?

http://willasneweden.us/index.php?option=com_content&view=section&layout=blog&id=10&Itemid=62

@nonarKitten I'm sorry if my initial post was...

2010-05-05T06:54:08.795-04:00

@nonarKitten

I'm sorry if my initial post was offensive to you. My comments about appreciation for Firefly/Serenity was merely tongue-in-cheek, and was definitely meant to be lighthearted, rather than as a serious proprosal. :o (I thought I had conveyed that sentiment, apparently not)

Sadly her comment is sexist. Sadly most of her oth...

2010-05-04T07:09:10.929-04:00

Sadly her comment is sexist.
Sadly most of her other ideas are from other submissions

And what she says about Fighting is pretty close to the "Be a man!" article, but the issues aren't this gender specifics, since this attitude encourages on kind of behavior from a pretty sexist (stereotype focused) perspective, and can be equally repulsive for several male players.

But she supports the same sexism and generalization, which makes her point weaker than the original.

@ nonarKitten "a) don't allow the boys t...

2010-05-03T15:07:29.114-04:00

@ nonarKitten

"a) don't allow the boys to play with female avatars - it dilutes the uniqueness of women playing these games, only serves to objectify us more (as you all know the REAL reason men do this), and to me is really queer. Either they're (mentally) a 12-yo who's playing with himself every time he looks at the picture, or he's got some deep rooted gender issues to resolve."

Objectification is alive and well in both genders.

Case in point: one of the women respondents to this mentions in her blog that she chooses a particular character in one of the games she plays because she likes the look of him more than enough to compensate for the lack of effectiveness.

She also talks about "eye candy" for women.

I remember a good (female) friend of mine walking up the road going "Val Kilmer, phwoaar", if you want a RL example.

Secondly, if you want equality then your point about gender specific avatars must also apply to women.

And that makes it that much easier for the idiots (and lets be fair, they're everywhere and not just in EvE) to be themselves as soon as you turn up in local.

What about the gay/transgender etc(excuse me for putting everyone into one basket there) communities? Exactly what sort of avatar would you make them have and how would you prove it?

While I can applaud you putting your points across vigorously (and there are some good ones in the rest of your submission), painting everyone with the same brush is as equally damaging as a black and white opinion of the opposite nature.

H

As both a woman and someone who's played EvE, ...

2010-05-03T11:41:10.914-04:00

As both a woman and someone who's played EvE, I'd like to say up front how immature some of the previous posts are, and that is ONE reason why I quit. Juvenile behaviour in a game that rewards juvenile behaviour. Strawberries as a market commodity...

There are two other reasons I gave it up though.

1. Fighting. When two men fight it out, they'd as likely end up being best friends. Fighting is a way to settle things and move on. To most women, fighting is about vengeance, and only serves to make any relationship worse than it was before. If someone pops me, I don't laugh it off - I want to find their IP, and go burn their house down. The only possible vehicle in the game to get retribution is either ganging-up or the terribly broken bounty system.

2. Creation. The in-game mechanics for building ships, stations and equipment is so boring. It's not just a numbers game, it's a boring and tedious one. And in the end, everyone builds the same crap that gets blown up inside of a week anyway, so nobody cares. The means justify the ends here - and building only exists to support those who want to pew-pew, and nothing more. Its vacuous.

So, to me, EvE serves to waste time, and occasionally make me angry enough to want to commit a felony.

As to what **COULD** be changed?

a) don't allow the boys to play with female avatars - it dilutes the uniqueness of women playing these games, only serves to objectify us more (as you all know the REAL reason men do this), and to me is really queer. Either they're (mentally) a 12-yo who's playing with himself every time he looks at the picture, or he's got some deep rooted gender issues to resolve.

b) fix the bounty system; we all do stupid things, but if I have a billion ISK to make someone's life miserable for taking advantage of an accident, I want to know that's what it's doing and not just being pocketed by his alt or corp mates.

c) make manufacturing fun - and maybe if I knew that building XYZ meant something, I'd be more inclined to build it. Detailing, rigging and outfitting ships should all be the responsibility of the manufacturer.

Eve Online - The Forgotten Species http://trutext...

2010-05-03T11:08:52.323-04:00

Eve Online - The Forgotten Species

http://trutextures.blogspot.com/2010/05/eve-online-forgotten-species.html

I know I am passed the deadline but felt it was a good topic to blog about after my first day as a noob in Eve and being a woman.

:)

My gf is an avid wow raider and when trying to get...

2010-05-02T22:18:33.643-04:00

My gf is an avid wow raider and when trying to get her to play eve her comments were "its not colorful enough; it looks boring."

I'm not going to bother entering to say make it more colorful. As any eve player knows some parts of eve are very colorful at first glance at the game play, videos, and screenshots all a person who knows nothing about the game sees is a lot of black space, a few dots of light, maybe a planet, and a mostly gray ship. I cannot speak for most women but for her color and customization are very important. She may raid every day because she enjoys the game. But in comparison she might change her hair color/tabard several times a day.

2010-05-02T13:49:31.001-04:00

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I've come to realise that of the small percent...

2010-04-29T05:28:13.484-04:00

I've come to realise that of the small percentage of female players that *do* play Eve, most of them appear to be raging Browncoat fans.

So to add my own little bit to the general discussion, I propose the following changes:

1) Hire Nathan Fillion to do recordings for a male version of Aura (quips, remarks, etc)
2) Introduce a new ship class called the Firefly
3) Add strawberries as a market commodity

That is all. ;)

Aye, I missed the contest as well, but my answer i...

2010-04-27T23:59:20.159-04:00

Aye, I missed the contest as well, but my answer is short:

"Who cares? Why is attracting 'girl gamers' more important than just attracting more gamers in general?"

I mean, do female gamers pay more per month or something? Are you going to turn Eve into a dating service? Why does the ratio of guy to girl gamers matter at all?

But, if you want your simple answer to how to do it: You will find that anything that is 'niche' has many more guys than girls (almost to exclusion) while anything that is mainstream will attract for more girls than guys.

So, if you want to destroy your niche game in order to make it more attractive to women... I guess that's your choice as a developer.

Yeah its after the contest, but intellectually lik...

2010-04-27T13:19:23.998-04:00

Yeah its after the contest, but intellectually like EVE, and would like to see it improve.

The short summary, the NPCs and PCs don't seem real as you interact with them as photos. Even without a full ambulation implementation, I think mission running would be more enjoyable if agents were animated enough to communicate their "faction standing" emotional state.

http://alienghic.livejournal.com/431847.html

Also I avoided the whole "girls" want X trap, and stuck to what I wanted, and what one of my coworkers wanted.

Nearly lost my battle against the clock there! Exc...

2010-04-26T23:49:06.148-04:00

Nearly lost my battle against the clock there! Exciting, this is my first blog banter for you, CrazyKinux!

My entry's called "Private: Lady Vengeance, Or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Pew-Pew" - And the content is just as unconventionally long.

Please access it here: http://enginetones.wordpress.com/2010/04/26/fem-pewpew/

AWESOME topic, CrazyKinux! My entry: http://pod...

2010-04-26T22:27:53.560-04:00

AWESOME topic, CrazyKinux!

My entry:
http://podlogs.com/spacebroker/2010/04/27/gal-ristas/

Way to go, CK... I look forward to reading all these!

Hi All, This is not an entry to the competition, ...

2010-04-26T18:30:15.029-04:00

Hi All,

This is not an entry to the competition, but is something I wrote a week ago. It echoes some of the recent comments, so... here 'tis

http://podlogs.com/khan/2010/04/20/question/

CK - I don't envy you choosing the winners. There are some extremely good submissions.

Lastly, and just a note - look at the number of entries. Way greater that the usual 5%/95% ratio oft quoted.

The solution may not lie with CCP at all...

H